Look at what the Church says on the matter: [link] (4-12-20, 9:43 PM), Debating an issue is fragging? (4-12-20: Easter Sunday, 6:25 AM), Shots fired by Retrograde Gordon Bros against Marshall. It is fixable. Do not imitate him. The signatories to the Open Letter have committed heresy, and so has Taylor Marshall, by rejecting the teaching of the Council that no Pope can teach or commit heresy. For those who don't know, they are both in the traditionalist Catholic blogosphere (in an extremely brief summary, traditionalist Catholics are very conservative and prefer Catholic rituals done as they were before the Second Vatican Council). Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. If so, please seriously consider a much-needed financial contribution. For my part in some irreverent jesting in the wake of this spat, Im sorry. He was acting as a good father. . PS: this isnt a big deal. I recognize Pope Francis as the Pope. He sent a diplomatic text insinuating there wouldnt be a call. This shouldnt be engaged in public. Now he is attacking people whose sandals he is unworthy to untie. In October 2019, Marshall received media attention for publicizing an incident at the Catholic Church's Amazon Synod in which Alexander Tschugguel and an accomplice filmed themselves removing indigenous fertility statues, reportedly of Pachamama, from the Church of Santa Maria in Traspontina in Rome and throwing them into the Tiber river. Not gonna tweet anymore on this, Agreed. He does this by examining the history of the conflict between Church and Freemasonry, examining many recent private revelations and prophecies, and tying these to the undeniably unsettling developments within the Church in the last 60 years. The Novus Ordo is invalid or objectively offensive to God. You may not prefer your own understanding of the Faith over the teaching of the Papal Magisterium. Ego kills. Addendum: Further Timothy Gordon (and David Gordon) tweets: Ill do it anytime. Catholic micro-celebrity is wholly meaningless and mostly fruitless. He made it sound like he called back, Steve. Distinctions matter, Dave and I disagree about *how close* VC2 comes to embracing ecumenism/modernism. As if this is what we need right now at this moment in history. There are two hawks in LaBelle. Without them we would be without the Sacraments. (4-14-20, 4:23 PM), Im blocking the 3 Gordons because they will not drop it regarding me and the SSPX. He used the huge analytics boost his channel got from TNT and then ditched me, presumably cuz Im not Trad enuf for biz expsn[.] Honesty check time, (accidentally) mischaracterized my position, which is actually schismatic attitude in many/most attendees (but not all). Wish ALL of them into the Kingdom of Heaven[. Dont worry brother, No worries at all. Ive been reaching out for months; just defending myself against slander, no pattern except that I wish them both welltheyre both Catholics with whom I mostly agree Trent [Horn]: a smart dude I barely know & only spoke with thrice; Taylor: a smart dude I know WELLspoke to him daily for over a year, until he abruptly/mostly stopped replying to texts/calls. Just gotta retry each day for unity. Same here but for a different reason. He did so in defense of a joint letter about the popes Motu proprio, Traditionis Custodes, from The Superiors General of the Fraternity of St Peter (FSSP), the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest (ICKSP), the Institute of the Good Shepherd, and a number of other Superiors General of priestly institutes and religious communities attached to the Traditional Mass (including three communities of women). And it aint gonna be clan chieftains Chris Ferrara or Steve Skojec or John-Henry Westen or Michael Voris or Patrick Coffin (who all preside over their own echo-chambers) either. Its not the first time. We patiently wait, endure, and we resist.. You are wrong on cohabitation. (7:58 PM), I called him yesterday. The SSPX is the only church in town that is not a total joke and does not desecrate the eucharist. (9:16 PM), To all those who believed that I was criticizing his/his familys reception of the Eucharist from the SSPX rather than the implicit invitation for the less-educated faithful to frequent SSPX liturgy, note this was not my intention. Of course I have sounded the alarm on Joseph Shaw, too. I'm not sure if any of you posted this story already. Thats heteropraxy, not heterodoxy. And since Marshall does accuse Pope Francis of heresy, later in the video, he is not in submission or communion with the Pope. God bless our most holy, ardent, bold, yet obedient priests of the TLM! Thank you! by Dr Taylor Marshall. ). Theres always room to come@back together. Dwight Longenecker tweeted similarly: When Catholics set themselves up to judge and condemn popes and bishops its not long before they are judging and condemning one another. [27], Marshall met his wife, Joy McPherson, in 1999. The true meaning of submission in Ephesians 5 and why it doesnt mean subjugation. However, around Easter of 2020 (during the pandemic), I found a bunch of people suddenly debating each other in Catholic . Hes got a good heart and weve both had a hard year. And they pretend that he said the opposite. I never claimed I texted Taylor yesterday. These types of religions hinder the path of salvation, and are will by God only in the sense that He wills to permit sin because of free will. St Paul of Tarsus fought to the death with half the people who crossed his path and he was a very, very great Saint indeed. (1:47 PM), There were other pastoral councils that did not condemn a heresy. You are living in objective sin and leading others into that sin, by your heresy and schism. This is contrary to the first Commandment of the Ten Commandments, You shall have no other gods before Me. . No reply. I said Ive reached out several times in the New Year w/ scarcely a response. On 8 September 2021, Shaw wrote on his Twitter page: It is high time that everyone realised that Taylor Marshall has no understanding of any of the issues he talks about. Canon 1364, n. 1: an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication. And it is contrary to the above discussed dogma that no Pope can teach heresy or grave error, i.e. Marshall: I honestly think that the safest position is this is the Pope we have right now. No particular deference is due to him (think Protestant). Timothy Gordon has come down on the critical side: I stand with FSSP and ICKSP. But not while shots are fired hourly on Twitter and crowds watch on. But the debate should be: a) not avoided and b) CIVIL[.] It is not submission to acknowledge that Pope Francis is the Pope. And JP2 was FAR more modernist than he acknowledges, but the point is that Daves tweet to Taylor was 100.0000% civil[.] He sent a diplomatic text insinuating there wouldnt be a call. [28] Marshall and his family converted from Anglicanism to Catholicism. (3:02 PM), [DorotaG had tweeted (4-12-20, 11:01 PM): My bishop in endangering my soul and the boot licking FSSP is nowhere to offer a real mass. Daves position and mine, while distinguishable, are in close enough orbit to give faithful, non-contumacious, full-communion Catholics a nice spectrum to examine and choose from. are the easiest: just send to my email address: apologistdave@gmail.com. [16] The foreword of the book was written by Bishop Athanasius Schneider. I think it comes dangerously close. Steven OReilly made the obvious point in a tweet underneath Timothy Gordons (4-13-20, 5:20 PM): The problem is, in order to unite the clans, as in the analogy, a William Wallace is needed. Without them we would be without the Sacraments. It needs to stop. Radical Catholic Reactionaries. Marshall: I look at this and I say: You are wrong on Luther. Can we talk about that? Hypocrite. Good bye Mr Taylor. The pope is a valid pope, but only worthy to be bashed and lied about week in and week out. I resist him to his face.. We also look at the errors of Balthasar and his hypothesis of "Dare We Hope that All Be Saved" (a theory also espoused by Bishop Robert Barron). Marshall then goes on to say that God just wills the Catholic religion. See the pattern there? Shall we list the many who have done this? But not while shots are fired hourly on Twitter and crowds watch on. Fro Taylor Marshall to T Gimordon I have listened to Taylor Marshall's videos for 2 years and became acquainted with Tim Gordon. Dont act as if fringe groups and their leaders arent the mob w/ gang bosses on Cath twitter. Because there are so many other awesome channels out there, and knowing this man publicly berated those who accept FSSP or NO in their life pilgrimage is no different than calling them rabble. Im asking.Thanks. Garabandal: Are the Prophecies About to be Fulfilled? [25], Marshall briefly received attention from Donald Trump's 2020 presidential campaign for popularizing Archbishop Vigan's letter warning of a deep state working to undermine the United States of America. Such heated rhetoric between ostensible allies and fellow reactionaries has huge implications for the internal unity of the reactionary movement, which appears to be significantly fracturing (an almost inevitable occurrence with all heretical, schismatic, and quasi-schismatic movements; I classify reactionaries as in the latter group). They talk about tough things but have a good time! Timothy replied in that discussion thread: Its not a matter of opinion. So God wills first and foremost that all human persons come to the Catholic religion, to find the fullness of truth. I must admit to my own biases in that I don't trust converts, especially those making $$$ off the church's controversies. Outward unity among the reactionaries has been fairly solid, since all alike detest and despise the pope (my enemys enemy is my friend.). I watched the film Jesus Revolution last night. But not while shots are fired hourly on Twitter and crowds watch on. Is there actually a breaking point? When a guru, as in John Corapi falls many are scandalized, some in my parish are just now returning to the Church. I would never frag ya[.] Tons of defamatory theories swirling about my motives and about the TnT breakup itself (which Marshall is conspicuously failing to correct). All else is minutiae, God bless FSSP! Im blocking the 3 Gordons because they will not drop it regarding me and the SSPX. (9:16 PM), My sole issue with his Easter tweet was that he retracted his previous due criticisms of the SSPX, which I worried would nudge many of the faithful to attend SSPX liturgy, which would endanger the less-educated in the Faith, since they will more readily succumb to therebellious mindset of the Society towards VC II and towards the Novus Ordo, a mindset that is condemned by the Church. Bellarmine also condemned as proximate to heresy, the position that Vatican I made into heresy itself, that the Pope may be a heretic or may teach heresy. The Twitter page for the latter (Im banned there but have seen a screenshot), proclaimed on 8 September: Marshall is a grifter with nothing to lose.. And he makes this absolutely clear later in the video: Marshall: Its like Paul in Galatians, he could resist Peter to his face, but he couldnt depose Peter. [5], Shortly thereafter, in 2006, he and his wife converted to Catholicism. Sorry Gordons, but this seems to be the only way. People accused me of not reaching out, which I have been for months[. Youll see the term Catholic Used Book Service, which is my old side-business. ], Im not a grudge holder. [2] After studying at Westminster Theological Seminary and Nashotah House, Marshall was ordained a priest of the Episcopal Church in 2006 by Jack Iker, the Bishop of Fort Worth who later established the Anglican Church of North America's Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth. A subreddit to help you keep up to date with what's going on with reddit and other stuff. I am living my life and have no time for their judgments over my soul and my family. They acted like old buddies and intellectual "colleagues." Two laymen with a youtube channel, spreading the news about the Pachamama dunker guy, etc. Timothy Gordon replied on 4-13-20, at 8:36 PM and 8:54 PM: Agreed. For the penalty for formal schism is automatic excommunication, making him also unworthy to receive Communion. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon. People accused me of not reaching out, which I have been for months, Did you see how many folks idiotically assumed that I havent been reaching out as a brother in Jan/Feb/March? And yet you complain that the divorced and remarried may receive Communion despite their objectively grave sins. Anyway, out of the blue, Tim departed from Dr. Marshall's channel. I just dont want this dragging out in public. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. Truly care for him. I ask everyone to pray for all parties involved. Marshall then objects to the phrase in the Open Letter heretical Pope. Just defending myself with the truth. He was a Catholic for about 13 years. Please review Rule 4 and this post before making a top level comment: I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Its destructive and wrong. The SSPX equaling formal schism stuff is wrong, as far as I know. The basic trouble with going far right on the ecclesiastical spectrum: radical right; radical Catholic reactionary, is how far right does one go? I think (all reactionary issues aside for the moment) Timothy Gordon shows himself to be acting as a Christian should (in terms of seeking to reconcile); Taylor Marshall is not acting in such a fashion. No other gods before me timothy replied in that discussion thread: Its not matter! Pray for all parties involved discussion thread: Its not a total joke and not. 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